Looking For Quartz Download.

[ElRavager]

Where is the link? I haven't received my email yet, I'm sure that's just an oversight. Any professional company would at least explain the reasons for failing to deliver. I am fairly sure that SnapStream is a professional company.

- El Rav

[kaveh420]

Okay I don't mean to be negative but I'm not sure what kind of company Snapstream is. I have purshased both Snapstream and Showshifter and I don't think I need to repeat what others have already said about the two. What I wonder is how a product like Snapstream is going to stay competative with its current practices. The release of Quartz is going to be beta, and will no doubt take a while to iron out, since the new Showshifter took about 6 months of beta to finally result in a release. I know that many make the argument that they use Snapstream because of its streaming capabilities over a network. Honestly, why can't you just share files and folders and double click on your recordings. But if streaming is that important to you, how long will you put up with a product that doesn't involve its eager community in the developement process and doesn't come close to boasting a feature set that is on par with its competitors. They are keeping everything under raps and for what? a beta release? Either way I am no longer as exited about Quartz as I was 6 months ago. I doubt that new codec support will be any good for a while and frankly I'm sick of having to wait just to test a buggy beta version. Again I'm sorry for being so negative but frankly this whole Quartz situation sux. And no I'm not complaining that I paid for v2 just to wait for v3 like some, I just think that Snapstream is at fault for fostering false hope over something they were no where near releasing when they announced it. If they wanted to tell us that this is what we are working on then at least involve us with some beta releases along the way. On the contrary, you now have many users who are annoyed and have probably already moved on to other products.

Just my two cents.

[Jason Bottjen]

That is exactly what I do. Since I do not view the video remotely (i.e. over internet) this works fine for me.

PLUS, when you do it that way you do not have to buffer/re-buffer when skipping commercials, etc. Much more convenient.

Now if you want to watch shows remotely over a broadband connection, that is a diffrent story. There ther streaming capability in Snapstream makes a lot of sense and is a good feature.

Not that anyone cares, but I'm finally running the 30 day trial of Showshifter (and capturing very nicely at 640x480 thank you...). I would rather stick with Snapstream, but if they do not have a version out by the end of my 30 day Showshifter trial that can at least support other codecs then I'm buying Showshifter and never gracing these boards again (not that the people at Snapstream will care I'm sure, but nonetheless...). No more waiting.

After I look at the visual quality I can get from other codecs w/better resolutions, I can't go back to Snapstream 2.0 and the lack of flexibility.

So, here's hoping on a Quartz release/beta/whatever in the next few weeks...

Jason Bottjen

Originally posted by kaveh420:
*SNIP*Honestly, why can't you just share files and folders and double click on your recordings.*END SNIP*

[vebix]

>Honestly, why can't you just share files and folders and double click on your recordings.

*sigh*

you guys are missing the point. it's not the streaming that makes snapstream special - it's the remote *management* of the system.

"Ooo, is that on tonight? I forgot to setup a recording and I won't be home until too late!"

No problem - just login to your home snapstream and set up the recording from the office.

*That* is the beauty of snapstream.

[TV Scheduler]

Originally posted by mportune:
>Honestly, why can't you just share files and folders and double click on your recordings.

*sigh*

you guys are missing the point. it's not the streaming that makes snapstream special - it's the remote *management* of the system.

"Ooo, is that on tonight? I forgot to setup a recording and I won't be home until too late!"

No problem - just login to your home snapstream and set up the recording from the office.

*That* is the beauty of snapstream.

Even better.... You can log on someone else's computer and get them to record it for you.

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Bob

[Jason Bottjen]

I suppose.. Nothing you couldn't do with WinVNC (or any other remote access software) over the internet either though... And with WinVNC you could do it straight from a browser like Snapstream (and for free).

Once you open the hole to get in, it really is a mute point (security wise) which program you are connecting to.

But you ARE right, that is a feature that Snapstream has that other programs do not have built in. (although it is EASILY done with FREE products available on the internet).

Jason Bottjen

Originally posted by mportune:
>Honestly, why can't you just share files and folders and double click on your recordings.

*sigh*

you guys are missing the point. it's not the streaming that makes snapstream special - it's the remote *management* of the system.

"Ooo, is that on tonight? I forgot to setup a recording and I won't be home until too late!"

No problem - just login to your home snapstream and set up the recording from the office.

*That* is the beauty of snapstream.

... i haven't seen anyone from snapstream posting on here in a while...

[vebix]

>And with WinVNC you could do it straight from a browser like Snapstream (and for free).

Anybody can do anything with anything. But again, that's not the point. That is too much of a novelty hack (and way too slow).

Snapstream people use it because it's a remote tv-management solution out of the box. (key words)

[ July 03, 2002, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: mportune ]

[vebix]

>... i haven't seen anyone from snapstream posting on here in a while...

I wonder why. /sarcasm

[srigby]

mportune:

Just for your info, you can do exactly what you described with ShowShifter. It's not pretty at the moment, but it does work.

If you're interested, look for the alpha version of Web Scheduler from John Vanderbeck.

[srigby]

And before you say:

But it's not built-in, it's an add-on.

That's one of ShowShifter's feature. It allows people to write their own modules.

Eg: A guy wrote a Photo Viewer module that allows you to view photos that you've taken with your digital camera.

The original design concept behind ShowShifter was to be able to do everything from the application (eg. as though you weren't using a PC).

[kaveh420]

Originally posted by mportune:
*SNIP*you guys are missing the point. it's not the streaming that makes snapstream special - it's the remote *management* of the system.

"Ooo, is that on tonight? I forgot to setup a recording and I won't be home until too late!"

No problem - just login to your home snapstream and set up the recording from the office.*END SNIP*

Okay now the beauty of Showshifter is that they share with their developer community and the community shares back. There is a Web Schedular available off the extras page at showshifter.com that will allow manual recording management much like that built into Snapstream. However whats more interesting is the newly developed plugin ( available here) that alows you to remotely schedule recordings using TitanTV's interface so its not manual, in fact its like you are on the machine running Showshifter. Now I admit this isn't too convenient when you are on someone elses machine as it needs a program and file associations on that machine, but its a good idea and can be developed further.

So the bottom line is there are solutions for remote management. Also the fact that people are actively developing features they like to see and that Showshifter embraces these developments is pretty cool if you ask me.

[ July 03, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: kaveh420 ]

[festivalman]

showshifter can't manipulate qualities remotely, or change store settings remotely, or change the names of shows, pretty much anything other than scheduling remotely... snapstream is "anything you can do from the local server, you can do from indonesia." when they completely write the whole application around a web based server utility, then i'll be happy to use it.

[srigby]

Festivalman:

You can remotely select which quality you want to use to record your program. But, no, you can't currently create or manipulate qualities remotely using ShowShifter.

Do you want a list of all the things that ShowShifter can do and SnapStream can't?

It'd be a pretty long list.

The bottom line is:

SnapStream was better, but due to wheel-spin, they're quickly being overtaken.

[TV Scheduler]

Ah Heck anyone that can write a cgi script can do just about anything they want if they are willing to install and run Apache on Windows. The problem is that most people that can do it don't think the risk is worth the reward on a single user operating system.

There are things that SnapStream should not be able to do. I'm sure that they have spent hours talking about those things. I'm sure not going to talk about them here.

When this all shakes out you will have SnapStream with a set of features that will be different from those available in ShowShifter. Why... Because they use different software models.

No one, not SnapStream not ShowShifter not anyone working in this field at this time wants to put your system at risk.

If you choose to run a server on the Internet, expect to be visited by someone you don't want. Just limit your risks and enjoy your toys.

Bob