Pissy about SnapStream

[tmar89]

Good news... I'm not as pissy anymore since I got the ClearQAM and HD-PVR working again with the drivers ZetaVu recommended. I'm still pissy about the other things though

[Eric3a]

Great news!
So going back to the 1.053 HDPVR driver from the 1.56 did the trick for you on the HDPVR front?

Or was there anything else?
I tried the earlier driver and no luck. No big surprise since the release notes of later drivers specifically mention addressing the DishNetwork audio synch problems.

Eric

[tmar89]

Originally Posted by Eric3a

Great news!
So going back to the 1.053 HDPVR driver from the 1.56 did the trick for you on the HDPVR front?

Or was there anything else?
I tried the earlier driver and no luck. No big surprise since the release notes of later drivers specifically mention addressing the DishNetwork audio synch problems.

Eric

Going back helped, but more rolling back the 2250 drivers as far as stability with BTV was more helpful. With the HDPVR I had to reset it twice last night because it locked up and BTV couldn't find the tuner.

[ZetaVu]

I forget, do you have the stb where you can't lock the output at 1080 or 720? I suspect that might be causing the lockups and something in the way BTV vs Sage does might be responsible for the issues. (assuming you don't get similar lockups with Sage). I assume if you can lock output you've tried both 1080 and 720, and you've tried both spdif and analog inputs for the audio. Probably not a bad idea to try those out with 1.053. (also not a bad idea to use hwclear first then isntall the drivers, and make sure you run btv setup). Also I assume you are using the arcsoft decoder for playback, overlay, and set your recording quality for H,264 at default quality (7000 I think).

[tmar89]

Originally Posted by ZetaVu

I forget, do you have the stb where you can't lock the output at 1080 or 720? I suspect that might be causing the lockups and something in the way BTV vs Sage does might be responsible for the issues. (assuming you don't get similar lockups with Sage). I assume if you can lock output you've tried both 1080 and 720, and you've tried both spdif and analog inputs for the audio. Probably not a bad idea to try those out with 1.053. (also not a bad idea to use hwclear first then isntall the drivers, and make sure you run btv setup). Also I assume you are using the arcsoft decoder for playback, overlay, and set your recording quality for H,264 at default quality (7000 I think).

I ran HWClear first and then reinstalled everything. Then I ran the ArcSoft install to get the decoder. I also have the default H.264 quality at HD (High) 6835kB/sec.

I have to see if I can lock out my STB. I looked up the manual and it has some settings that I have to check out. Also, I don't use SPDIF; I use the Audio Line.

[ZetaVu]

I forget what the default settings are in BTV, but I've been using those since the beta, not sure if it makes a difference, I had custom settings in the beta and at the time reverting to default fixed an issue. Now I just don't want to change anything since it works so well.

The fixed output I think is critical, but then again if Sage can accommodate it then it is something SS needs to look at in the next beta. That and the 4 second pause after tuning channels would fix a lot of the shortcomings I think.

What's your stb?

[tmar89]

Motorola DCX3200
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/600821/Mo...%20DCX3200.pdf
I have to read Section 6 and what settings I can change.

[ZetaVu]

You can lock at 1080 or 720, pages 28 and 30, just make sure you don't select native. Is yours set at native? Deselect all formats but one.

[tmar89]

I'll give it a try later.

[tmar89]

EDIT: Got it locked out at 720p for now until I get the 37" 1080p LCD TV I want.

[cfaslave]

Originally Posted by ZetaVu

....I sent Brent my notes from Sage testing, not sure if he'll put them on Geektonic or not, but overall I was able to do everything I wanted much better with BTV and Media Portal than with Sage alone. (I have Beyond Media, but never really got that into it, and the latest MP blows everything else away, except for tv of course)....

By the way, I finally posted part one of ZetaVu's write-up "BeyondTV + MediaPortal Versus SageTV - Redux Part1"

It's long so I broke it into two parts with part 2 arriving late tonight. I think comparing the linux version of SageTV placeshifter to the Windows version of BTV/MediaPortal was a mistake as SageTV really has only built a Linux Server and hasn't done much with the placeshifter version due to lack of interest. I've been trying to push them into doing a Linux Client (Like link) version, but most would prefer to have an extender which runs on a tiny version of linux anyway.

Regardless the post shows some of the things that might deter someone comfortable with BeyondTV from switching to SageTV... And as always was a great guest-post by ZetaVu!

[ZetaVu]

Actually I compared the windows versions of Sage and BTV to each other, and the linux version of Sage to the BTV linux placeshifter mod with vlc (using placeshifter to launch vlc rather than silverlight, which isn't up yet in linux, moonlight 2). So I did my best to compare apples to apples.

I can understand the lack of interest in porting to linux, most people using linux are running mythtv, so why pay for Sage or BTV?

Well, my argument is you get a superior product, and you get reliable guide data. Since then I've been rebutted with a lot of "free as in beer" options for guide data, which I have not had a chance to explore yet. I've farmed some of this off to two friends, one using mythtv, one using Media Portal exclusively. When I get some time I might play with these and come up with another article for ya.

Of course both Media Portal and mythtv are very tedious to setup (compared to btv), but if someone ever made a US specific installer that simplified the process...

[cfaslave]

Originally Posted by ZetaVu

Actually I compared the windows versions of Sage and BTV to each other, and the linux version of Sage to the BTV linux placeshifter mod with vlc (using placeshifter to launch vlc rather than silverlight, which isn't up yet in linux, moonlight 2). So I did my best to compare apples to apples.

Understood. The SageTV webserver (a 3rd party free tool) has "placeshifting" which is really more comparable to BeyondTV's web placeshifter. But I've never tried the Linux SageTV placeshifter & I don't think they have more then a small handful of users for that.

I can understand the lack of interest in porting to linux, most people using linux are running mythtv, so why pay for Sage or BTV?

The Linux version of SageTV server is really fairly popular - more popular then the Mac version. I think that has to do with the complexity of MythTV - One of the MissingRemote guys (John) wrote a good comparison of MythTV to the linux version of SageTV which explained that a bit more.

Well, my argument is you get a superior product, and you get reliable guide data. Since then I've been rebutted with a lot of "free as in beer" options for guide data, which I have not had a chance to explore yet. I've farmed some of this off to two friends, one using mythtv, one using Media Portal exclusively. When I get some time I might play with these and come up with another article for ya.

I'd love to see that one - very interesting stuff.

By the way, as a full-time SageTV user who has used BeyondTV quite a bit in his life (that's me by the way) I still consider BeyondTV to be easier to set up and learn. Lots of other things to factor in, but there is no question about that fact.

[Zogg]

The title of this thread makes me laugh every time I see it...

I look forward to reading ZetaVu's article when I get a chance.