Figured out Closed Captioning for my system

[Edgarmoon]

Ok, had a hell of a time figuring out how to get closed captions on my system, I think I have it down now (Thanks to Merrypig, without whom I wouldn't even be close) This works if you have a pvr-250 or equivalent hardware encoder.

1. Create a Dword called InsertCCInDVD (exact case) set to 1 in HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Globespa n\Parameters\ivac15\Driver

2. with btv closed, open settings.xml (docs and settings\allusers\application data\sanpstream\beyondtv...) and change the setting for TryCC from 0 to 1.

3. Install cyberlink powerdvd 4 or 5, or beyond media, you need the cyberlink decoder. In Snapstream, set playback to cyberlink decoder.

4. Install DirectVOBfilter (You can google for it, I took it out of klite codec pack, however, if you install everything from the klite codec pack it screws up ATI MMC media library navigation, so I only install this filter)

5. Install mpg2srt.exe in your movie directory or a subdirectory where you want to store movies with subtitles.

Ok, when I want subtitles, I put my mpg file in the directory with the mpg2srt.exe file, and I rightclick the mpg file, then select "open with". I have set up mpg2srt as a program there by browsing for it, you only have to do that once. I select mpg2srt and it creates the files with subtitles. Now when I open that movie in Snapstream, Zoom player, beyond media, etc etc, it will play subtitles. If I do not want to watch subtitles, I can either change decoder or delete (rename or move) the subtitle files (there are two, either will work)

That's it. I've tried to figure out how to do it without generating the files but could not figure it out despite bothering Merrypig more than I should.

Ok, anyone finds a way to simplify this, I'd be much appreciated.

[merrypig]

Just wanted to add; that although we couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work on Edgarmoon's system - you don't need directvobsub OR mpg2srt.exe to use captions with btv...

But I 'm blowed if I could find out why it wouldn't work in this case without it.

For the record, using directvobfilter, I don't think you need the trycc=1 setting. Directvobsub gets loaded when the renderer graph is being built and automatically overlays the captions if the file exists.

I'm in a limbo atm in that I like my pvr500mce card, but really want those captions back. So I may have to roll back to my 250's .

I'll see about making an installer app to configure /check everything works...

[Edgarmoon]

I did this on a clean install, and I couldn't get anything to work untill I put in DirectVobFilter. Oh, forgot to mention above, you need to set Snapstream recording settings to DVD stream, not program stream to capture the CC's.

Merrypig, if you ever do a clean install, let me know how that works. The best I can guess is that you made some tiny but critical adjustment that lets btv play cc's without having to use mpg2srt and directvobfilter.

[notica]

Can someone hlep me to find out where to put "InsertCCInDVD" in the registry. I don't have "HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Globespa n\Parameters\ivac15\Driver" and I can't find "enableVIMProtection" in my registry. Thanks!

[Xiadix]

That is finallly getting easy. I already had the filters installed, so I made the registry and BTV change. Then reboot and I am done. CC's on live and recorded shows when viewing in Overlay using the Cyberlink decoders. I didn't have to install any of the other stuff.

The one question I have is on DVD stream verses Program stream. For my direct to DVD quality I normally used Program stream, will it make a difference for burning if I change it to DVD stream?

KevG

[Xiadix]

Originally Posted by notica

Can someone hlep me to find out where to put "InsertCCInDVD" in the registry. I don't have "HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Globespa n\Parameters\ivac15\Driver" and I can't find "enableVIMProtection" in my registry. Thanks!

Are you using a Hauppauge encoder card to capture the video? Those settings should be in there when you installed their software.

KevG

[merrypig]

Originally Posted by Xiadix

That is finallly getting easy. I already had the filters installed, so I made the registry and BTV change. Then reboot and I am done. CC's on live and recorded shows when viewing in Overlay using the Cyberlink decoders. I didn't have to install any of the other stuff.

The one question I have is on DVD stream verses Program stream. For my direct to DVD quality I normally used Program stream, will it make a difference for burning if I change it to DVD stream?

KevG

If anything DVD Stream should in theory be more applicable to burning to a dvd ?

But it's really a moot point; captions won't work if it's not a dvd stream (afaik). That said I've burnt 200+ dvd's with a dvdstream format source without any issues.

[notica]

Yes, I have a BTV250. I have tried many times and can't find those lines. I also followed the advices from this site http://www.cask-of-amontillado.com/htpc.html and still couldn't find them. Are there any other places I should check? Thanks!

[merrypig]

The "BTV250" is not the same as a PVR250.

I'm not sure it has even remotely the same driver set/registry keys... Unfortunately I have no way to check.

You could search for a string "I n s e r t C C i n D v d " in the .sys file of your btv250 drivers.

(isn't it actually called pvr250BTV ?)

[Edgarmoon]

Originally Posted by Xiadix

That is finallly getting easy. I already had the filters installed, so I made the registry and BTV change. Then reboot and I am done. CC's on live and recorded shows when viewing in Overlay using the Cyberlink decoders. I didn't have to install any of the other stuff.

The one question I have is on DVD stream verses Program stream. For my direct to DVD quality I normally used Program stream, will it make a difference for burning if I change it to DVD stream?

KevG

Ok, I can't get the livetv to work, what specific registry and btv changes did you make? Which pvr do you have and what is your video card? Thanks

[notica]

merrypig, clould you explain a little bit more on how to search the .sys file and what should should I do If I find it. Thanks.

[merrypig]

Notica:

For the PVR250 drivers from hauppauge, there is usually a string ("InsertCCInDVD") in the hcwPVRP2.sys file. The string is encoded in 2 bytes per string, so you'll need a text editor or binary editor than can skip the 00 bytes between the letters in order to get a match.
(IE I?n?s?e?r?t etc)

If you find that key; then you at least have a hope that the driver supports the embedded caption info.

You would still need to find where to install the key. To be honest if you don't have any of the ivac15\drivers or the other HKLM\... \class\... reg keys referred to in that website you linked to - then my bet is that the 250BTV drivers just don't support the captioning mode.

That isn't entirely surprising since I thought the 250BTV was based on a different chipset to the PVR250 (ivac15/16) card and most likely has a completely different firmware/driver source.

I've never heard of anyone using captions on the BTV variant or other roslyn cards.

That said, someone told me that there was another non PVR250 card that DID support the captions in this way. Not sure if that was a roslyn,blackbird or what... chipset.

I know this perhaps isn't what you want to hear but if captions are important to you _today_ then you might want to swap the btv card out for a PVR250.

If you can wait a little.. just hang in there. Sooner or later captions will come .... even without this hack.

[merrypig]

Originally Posted by Edgarmoon

Ok, I can't get the livetv to work, what specific registry and btv changes did you make? Which pvr do you have and what is your video card? Thanks

Edgar moon;

Can you run graphedit and do a check for the Line21 Decoder Filters in directshow;
and see if they have the following GUID's

Directshow->Line21 Decoder -> "@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\{6E8D4A20-310C-11D0-B79A-00AA003767A7}"

Directshow -> Line 21 Decoder 2
@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\{E4206432-01A1-4BEE-B3E1-3702C8EDC574}


Those are the two MS line21 decoders - which BTV _should_ be trying to hook up when you use the TryCC=1 setting. If either of those aren't present, or have a different GUID - the chances are something has replaced it with a different version or something is missing on your system.

[Xiadix]

Originally Posted by Edgarmoon

Ok, I can't get the livetv to work, what specific registry and btv changes did you make? Which pvr do you have and what is your video card? Thanks

I have 2 PVR 250's outputting throught an ASUS Nvidia 5200. I am also running 3.5.2....just upgraded this morning.

Steps I took (1-3 from above):
1. Create a Dword called InsertCCInDVD (exact case) set to 1 in HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Globespa n\Parameters\ivac15\Driver

2. with btv closed, open settings.xml (docs and settings\allusers\application data\sanpstream\beyondtv...) and change the setting for TryCC from 0 to 1.

3. Install cyberlink powerdvd 4 or 5, or beyond media, you need the cyberlink decoder. In Snapstream, set playback to cyberlink decoder.

4. I made sure my default record quality was a DVD stream.

5. Used overlay instead of 3d rendering

Works like a charm.

Now all I need is a way to quickly switch between overlay and 3d as an on/off. Anybody know of a command line option?

KevG

[notica]

merrypig:

Thanks for the infirmation. I bought the whole bundle from Beyond and always thought WinTV-PVR-250BTV is the same thing as PVR-250. It looks like my card is not as good as yours. Do you know anything about vedio quality between these two cards? You said just waiting for a little bit, but if my card dose not support CC, will I still need to change to another card?

Notica